How Vice grew to become ‘a fucking clown present’

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Shane Smith constructed Vice right into a cultural behemoth by bluffing his approach into spherical after spherical of funding — till he reached a dizzying $5.7 billion valuation from which solely a precipitous fall was potential.

That fall has been occurring in gradual movement for years, however issues lastly crashed to the bottom in February of this yr, when Vice introduced it could shutter its award-winning information division, lay off lots of, and cease publishing to its web site completely. For some insiders on the firm, this consequence felt inevitable. The one query was how lengthy Smith may hold making offers to maintain catastrophe at bay.

Vice employed quite a lot of proficient individuals at its decrease ranges. However any try to have a look at the corporate’s funds suggests an extended historical past of points on the very prime. Vice Media’s total enterprise had been rickety for years earlier than it filed for chapter in Might 2023 and bought itself to Fortress, an funding administration agency.

In line with sources, whereas Vice execs had been spending opulently in some areas, the newsroom struggled to pay its payments. An individual accustomed to the corporate’s funds claimed that Vice delayed paying distributors till providers could be shut off, at which level the corporate would notice they had been needed and check out to determine how one can pay the payments. Among the many providers shut off on a number of events within the run-up to the chapter had been Getty and Pacer, two accounts essential to any newsroom. It was notably tough for freelancers to receives a commission — a course of that reportedly typically took months of hounding. A vendor referred to as Wipro received a $9.9 million judgment in arbitration for unpaid payments — one among two components that led to Vice’s eventual chapter.

“Since at the least 2021, Vice has not had a NetJets account.”

Three individuals alleged that it was commonplace for company bank cards to be abruptly minimize off, together with one individual whose card was minimize off. One newsroom chief reportedly paid $5,000 out of their very own pocket to freelancers Vice owed. A division head allegedly created a shadow accounting system as a result of the precise accounting division was so overwhelmed, it was not possible to understand how a lot finances was left.

Typically sure strains of enterprise weren’t instructed concerning the income targets they had been anticipated to satisfy. In the meantime, the corporate’s precise accounting and expense controls had been messy. For example, Vice’s digital division had bills from NetJets — a non-public jet service — on its revenue and loss assertion, two sources instructed me. (A 3rd confirmed the NetJets account existed with out saying which steadiness sheet it was on. Two sources took credit score for ultimately canceling the NetJets account. “Since at the least 2021, Vice has not had a NetJets account,” in accordance with Vice spokesperson Samira Sorzano.) One govt supply alleged that the digital division was funding a manufacturing govt’s $350,000 wage — an govt who the supply claims did just about nothing. One other exec heard, to their shock, that somebody had reportedly spent $24,000 on a one-way ticket from New York to London.

Worse, after the Might chapter, virtually $20 million in govt headcount was left on the finances, one supply instructed me. (“False. This grossly exaggerated determine is off by a number of million {dollars},” mentioned Sorzano.) 

An govt instructed me that Vice’s accounting was “fanfiction finance.” “Is that this what working at WeWork felt like?” they puzzled.

“Is that this what working at WeWork felt like?”

It didn’t need to go like this. At a lecture in Scotland in 2016, Smith bragged that Time Warner tried to purchase Vice, and so did Fox and Viacom. (He complained that these corporations tried to offer Vice haircuts in valuation and “tried to censor us, naughty.”) Disney entered discussions with Vice about buying the corporate for $3.4 billion, in accordance with The Hollywood Reporter. In the end, Vice remained impartial. 

For this story, I talked to greater than 20 individuals, together with traders, collectors, and former Vice executives and workers in any respect ranges of the corporate — and their solely actual level of disagreement was whether or not Smith or his successor, Nancy Dubuc, deserved extra of the blame for the corporate’s collapse. These sources described a company tradition with no discernible technique and little of the required monetary infrastructure or self-discipline wanted to run an organization of its scale. 

At occasions, I heard what seemed like conspiracy theories in makes an attempt to clarify the vacuum of competent management. I heard, variously, that information was propping up every part else, and that the digital division was taking over bills to make the TV division look good. I used to be additionally repeatedly instructed to look into Vice’s relationship with Saudi cash. Amongst executives, there was little settlement and, as a substitute, quite a lot of blaming one another for dangerous selections.

Vice’s lack of know-how of how newsrooms work even prolonged to this story. In response to an electronic mail to present Vice CEO Bruce Dixon for touch upon this piece, I acquired correspondence from David Shane at Decision Communications, a disaster PR agency, who instructed me he was working with Fortress and Vice. After I despatched him a request for touch upon this story, he replied with an inventory of his personal questions, most of which felt like an try to establish my sources.

Bergeson LLP’s emails had been headlined “Not for publication,” despite the fact that I had not consented to any communication being off the document

I then acquired emailed responses to my inquiries from Bergeson LLP, a legislation agency that has represented the Church of Scientology and which describes its media apply as influencing “doubtlessly damaging media experiences” and “coping with what’s now referred to as ‘pretend information.’” All through the reporting course of, I’d electronic mail inquiries to Shane and obtain responses from Bergeson LLP — however the agency requested that Vice’s responses be attributed to Sorzano, Vice’s director of world communications, an individual with whom I by no means spoke instantly.

Bergeson LLP’s emails had been headlined “Not for publication,” despite the fact that I had not consented to any communication being off the document, per The Verge’s very public background coverage. The agency additionally questioned the usage of nameless sources, saying, “It’s troubling that the false attribution (sic) — certainly each allegation put to Vice by The Verge — comes from nameless sources, whom The Verges’s (sic) refuses to call regardless of Vice’s requests.”

Nameless sourcing is a normal apply at any journalistic outlet engaged in investigative work, and there’s no requirement to call sources at a topic’s request, notably once they have in any other case been offered with sufficiently detailed data to touch upon allegations. Identities are routinely protected to stop corporations from retaliating towards workers or anybody else for talking out. It’s astonishing that Vice — whose once-storied newsroom received Emmys and Peabodys and a Pulitzer — not understands this.

There are quite a lot of methods to clarify how and why Vice Media fell this far, however perhaps the best is simply this: Shane Smith fucked over lots of people.

Issues seemed rosy in 2014. Smith, talking at an occasion on the Paley Media Council, bragged that Vice was forward of its digital media opponents when it comes to being an actual enterprise. “We needed to generate profits,” Smith mentioned. “We’ve all the time needed to generate profits on each single factor we’ve carried out. We’ve by no means had debt financing, any of that stuff. We all the time made money.”

He went on, answering a query about why Vice’s valuation — on the time, $2.5 billion — was larger than that of different digital media corporations. Smith mentioned that opponents Vox Media (the proprietor of this web site) and BuzzFeed weren’t as far alongside as Vice was. “We’re budgeted for subsequent yr to do a billion {dollars}” in income, Smith mentioned. 

Vice didn’t do a billion {dollars} in income that yr. By 2019, Vice’s income could be “barely north of half a billion,” in accordance with an individual accustomed to the corporate’s funds, who added that “there was by no means a line of sight to a billion.” In 2022, Vice was set to overlook its extra modest income goal of $700 million by “over $100 million.”

“We’re a modern-day Bonnie and Clyde and we’re going to take all of your cash.”

In 2018, Nancy Dubuc was introduced in to switch Smith after The New York Instances revealed an article detailing allegations of sexual harassment at Vice Media. It detailed a boys’ membership tradition underneath Smith and included particulars on a “non-traditional office settlement” that many workers felt meant they might not complain about harassment. Dubuc arrived as CEO, ostensibly to wash up Vice’s act after Smith stepped away from the every day enterprise to concentrate on content material and offers — “the one issues that I’m good at,” Smith mentioned.

In a press release concerning the changeover, Smith wrote, “We’re a modern-day Bonnie and Clyde and we’re going to take all of your cash.” It was not clear whose cash, particularly, he meant.

Dubuc got here from A+E Networks and had been a board member of Vice for years. However two individuals who labored carefully along with her anxious about whether or not she understood Vice’s enterprise. At A+E, Dubuc had taken the historical past out of the Historical past Channel, championing actuality exhibits akin to Ice Street Truckers. A+E additionally had a smash hit in Duck Dynasty, and Dubuc saved the channel’s prices low by rerunning this system as a marathon.

That was not precisely Vice’s sensibility, even on its cable channel, Viceland. As an alternative, underneath artistic director Spike Jonze, it produced programming akin to weed cooking present Bong Appétit and documentary collection Balls Deep in addition to the late-night discuss present Desus & Mero, which featured two comedians who’d beforehand podcasted collectively. In addition to Viceland, Vice additionally had an HBO deal for the award-winning program Vice Information Tonight.

A “screwball solid of fits”

Within the first yr of Dubuc’s tenure, the corporate laid off 10 p.c of its workforce, launched a information present referred to as Vice Dwell — which one supply referred to as “the largest piece of shit I’ve seen in my life” — and canceled it in lower than two months. Dubuc did increase $250 million in debt financing, however Disney, one among Vice’s key traders, wrote down its $400 million funding, saying it didn’t count on a return. Then Vice Information Tonight was canceled by HBO — one of many few worthwhile offers on the firm, in accordance with two sources.

Sources repeatedly described Dubuc’s govt crew in unflattering phrases. One govt described Dubuc’s hires as “a fucking clown present”; one other referred to as them “comical”; a 3rd referred to as them “cartoonish”; a fourth referred to as them a “screwball solid of fits”; a fifth instructed me he’d discovered priceless classes from them about what by no means to do with an organization.

“VICE has a well-defined mission and produces globally acknowledged, award-winning content material,” mentioned Vice spokesperson Sorzano. “We is not going to speculate on unnamed executives who might or might not have labored instantly for the corporate’s former CEO.”

Dubuc introduced in Jesse Angelo, a childhood buddy of James Murdoch’s who had spent his profession up till that time working completely for Information Corp. She additionally employed Cory Haik, the previous writer of a digital startup referred to as Mic, after that firm collapsed and laid off practically its whole workers. Each Angelo and Haik had been reportedly instructed that they had been in line to observe Dubuc as CEO, in accordance with 5 individuals accustomed to the corporate’s succession talks. 

“Cory was the executioner at her bosses’ behest.”

“I used to be by no means instructed I’d be CEO, I by no means requested to be CEO, and I didn’t need the job. Anybody telling you in any other case is misinformed or mendacity,” Angelo instructed me in an electronic mail.

Most people I spoke to didn’t have type phrases for Angelo. One supply mentioned they weren’t clear on what he did all day. One other felt he solely appreciated the “enjoyable” components of the job. “Jesse Angelo had no real interest in how any of it was made or how one can make it higher,” mentioned Dave Mayers, a former producer and cinematographer at Vice. 

4 sources instructed me that Haik continuously took the blame for selections truly made by Angelo or Dubuc. “Cory was the executioner at her bosses’ behest,” one individual mentioned.

The individuals I spoke to had been break up about whether or not Vice was salvageable when Dubuc got here in. Some thought {that a} extra acceptable govt might need been capable of proper the ship; others mentioned Smith’s excesses basically doomed the corporate. There was widespread settlement that Dubuc didn’t perceive information. “She had no thought what she was doing when it got here to journalism or content material,” one individual instructed me. “It was fairly clear the corporate was screwed as soon as we acquired into her tenure.”

“I’m not going to remark,” Dubuc wrote me in an electronic mail. “This reads as gossip, disgruntled sources and an intentional smear, which isn’t journalism.”

A number of of the opposite executives who got here in with Dubuc had been described as enterprise sorts who had been dressed up in “Vice costumes” however didn’t truly perceive the corporate. In line with 5 individuals near the state of affairs, the primary talent set displayed by Dubuc’s crew was managing up; she’d surrounded herself with yes-men. (After I requested Dubuc about this characterization in an electronic mail, she denied it. “As anybody in these rooms would let you know, Jesse and Cory actually didn’t say sure to me, which was welcomed.”)

Income in 2020 was $580 million. After a deal to go public by merging with a blank-check firm failed in 2021, Smith was pressured to surrender voting management of the corporate. However he was nonetheless the corporate’s hype man. In an interview with Enterprise Insider, Smith insisted Vice’s future was brilliant. “If the timing comes alongside and we’re planning blistering 2022 and visitors and occasions do what we predict they’re going to do, then the sky’s the restrict,” he mentioned. “If we are able to forecast out that very same development in 2023, then we’re one of many hottest media corporations to spend money on.”

Seven individuals I spoke to talked about “Shane offers.” One former govt instructed me that when somebody mentioned, “That is Shane’s factor,” it meant that one thing was somewhat sketchy and shouldn’t be broadcast to the corporate. Among the many “Shane offers” the manager talked about was “Change Included,” a sponsored content material deal paid for by Philip Morris to encourage individuals to stop smoking. (This was a part of a broader try by Philip Morris to alter its picture.) One other was the connection with Greek broadcaster Antenna Group — a relationship that, when it fell aside, broke Vice.

To Vice’s credit score, it nonetheless continued to supply award-winning tv. In 2022, when the corporate was doing Emmy seating, Smith’s assistant allegedly requested the place Smith’s statues from 2021 had been. Apparently, Smith anticipated to have been credited as an govt producer, regardless of having no involvement on the exhibits that had received awards. The corporate needed to ask the academy for a second set of each award the corporate received in 2021 and redo their 2022 submissions to incorporate Smith. And in 2023, Smith and Suroosh Alvi, one other co-founder, allegedly personally purchased most of the tickets for Vice Media to attend the Emmys for the reason that bankrupt firm had no finances. Some managers and not too long ago fired Vice Information Tonight individuals purchased their very own.

Vice’s downside had little to do with what it made; it was a difficulty of management

“Shane Smith was an Govt Producer of a number of extremely profitable Vice Tv exhibits and as such, acquired Emmy Awards for the exhibits on which he was credited,” mentioned Sorzano, the Vice spokesperson. “It’s generally accepted, commonplace trade apply for Govt Producers of any award-winning present to obtain an award for his or her involvement. It isn’t the corporate’s apply to buy award present tickets for workers who the corporate not employs.”

For tv journalism, the Emmys are among the many highest honors. The nominations proved Vice’s downside had little to do with what it made; it was a difficulty of management. When Vice was lastly critical about promoting itself, the advert market had considerably modified from the times when Disney had valued the corporate within the billions.

At one level, Antenna Group was a possible purchaser. It already had an in depth three way partnership with Vice Media in Vice World Information — a “Shane deal,” in accordance with three individuals. Smith was incentivized to make offers as a result of his contract had “no ceiling on how a lot he may very well be paid and a number of sources of fee that funneled him tens of millions of {dollars} in compensation.” He acquired a $1.6 million annual wage on prime of the 5 p.c minimize of his offers. To earn that fee, 1 / 4 of the income for the deal needed to be revenue. 

(Vice declined to touch upon Smith’s wage or commissions. “As its founder, Shane Smith is and has been an integral a part of Vice,” in accordance with Sorzano. “He has all the time been tasked with securing strategic partnerships and alternatives around the globe for the corporate regardless of the previous CEO’s function.”)

A number of individuals instructed me that these “Shane offers” most likely prolonged the lifetime of the corporate

Smith was making tens of millions throughout a interval when Vice was having bother paying its payments and freelancers, throughout which era the corporate underwent at the least 4 rounds of layoffs. He outearned everybody truly operating the enterprise, in accordance with a report in New York.

The Vice World Information enterprise meant that Antenna broadcast 250 hours of Vice content material yearly throughout its channels in quite a few international locations, largely in Europe. The deal “supplied Vice with a gentle stream of secure and worthwhile income,” in accordance with the chapter submitting. Vice was paid $134 million underneath the deal in 2022, in accordance with the chapter submitting — despite the fact that Antenna’s web site claims it solely constructed an eight-figure enterprise with Vice. Paying 9 figures for an eight-figure enterprise doesn’t appear sustainable. 

(Sorzano declined to touch upon whether or not Vice World Information was a worthwhile enterprise for Vice.)

Antenna may have walked away from a deal to completely purchase Vice for quite a few causes. However the one which appeared most believable to the individuals I spoke to was that when Antenna was doing due diligence, it acquired a take a look at Vice’s books and will not have appreciated what it noticed. In any occasion, Antenna severed the Vice World Information contract, along with strolling away from the acquisition. Antenna representatives didn’t return repeated requests for remark. Vice’s Sorzano declined to touch upon this hypothesis.

A number of individuals instructed me that these “Shane offers” most likely prolonged the lifetime of the corporate. With out them, Vice would have been over a lot sooner. However they got here with large mounted prices — and other forms of prices, too. 

Vice “repeatedly blocked information tales that might offend the Saudi authorities”

Earlier than the chapter, Vice started to court docket Saudi cash. That is anathema to journalists, since Saudi brokers killed and dismembered Washington Publish journalist Jamal Khashoggi in October 2018 inside a Saudi consulate in Turkey. (Khashoggi was there to get marriage paperwork.)

Vice had a relationship with the Saudis earlier than Khashoggi was killed; in August 2018, Shane Smith was on a yacht with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to debate a enterprise partnership. After Khashoggi’s homicide, Vice started reviewing its contact with the Saudi publishing group SRMG.

That didn’t cease Vice from secretly organizing a music pageant in the course of the Saudi desert in 2020. A yr later, Vice’s advert company was pitching advertising and marketing campaigns to advertise Riyadh. In 2022, Vice started deal talks with the Saudi media conglomerate MBC Group. (MBC had additionally taken a 30 p.c stake in Antenna earlier that yr.) Vice ultimately did undergo with the direct partnership with MBC, which was introduced in January 2023.

Worse nonetheless, The Guardian reported that Vice “repeatedly blocked information tales that might offend the Saudi authorities.” Within the London workplace, workers engaged on Vice’s Saudi three way partnership changed {a photograph} of a protest in reminiscence of Sarah Everard, a UK girl kidnapped and murdered by a police officer, with “an enormous map of Saudi Arabia.”

There may be little or no data obtainable about GMN Cayman, or GMN Cayman HoldCo

Vice World Information was billed as a three way partnership with Antenna Group, however I used to be instructed that the deal’s particulars had been saved carefully among the many highest ranges of the corporate. A chapter submitting from Might fifteenth, 2023, reveals that Vice World Information was truly being paid for by an entity referred to as GMN Cayman, and that GMN Cayman pulled that funding after Antenna’s talks to purchase Vice outright fell by way of. Vice Media was in bother earlier than the deal collapsed — however between Wipro’s award for unpaid payments, which resulted in a freeze on Vice’s financial institution accounts, and the lack of the Antenna deal, Chapter 11 was unavoidable. Vice had already taken three forbearances on its loans.

There may be little or no data obtainable about GMN Cayman, or GMN Cayman HoldCo, which agreed to make two funds to terminate the Vice World Information deal. Neither firm seems to exist on Google search besides in Vice chapter paperwork. In line with the Cayman Islands registry, GMN Cayman’s handle is identical as a legislation agency within the Caymans, and it has two administrators: Feras Houhou and Mohammed Abdullah A AlAli. Two males named Feras Houhou and Mohammed AlAli say on their LinkedIn pages that they labored for SNB Capital, which describes itself because the “funding banking and asset administration arm of the Saudi Nationwide Financial institution, headquartered in Riyadh.” I reached out to them by way of LinkedIn however didn’t hear again in time for publication.

And when Fortress, one of many many entities Vice owed cash to, took over the corporate by way of a credit score bid of $350 million — that was one other “Shane deal,” in accordance with The Hollywood Reporter.

“That is primarily based on misinformed reporting,” Sorzano mentioned. “We is not going to touch upon inner discussions with any investor.”

All of the whereas, the compensation of executives dwarfed that of the journalists making the precise work. Simply earlier than the Might 2023 chapter submitting, the corporate introduced 100 layoffs, then paid out $1 million in retention bonuses to numerous executives. There’s even a chapter submitting detailing these bonuses. In the meantime, many Vice workers didn’t get their promised severance on account of the chapter.

One reporter I spoke to had been touring again from an undercover reporting journey centered on human rights violations when the manufacturing’s bank card began being declined; if it had occurred 24 hours earlier, the crew would have been in a really dicey state of affairs. Fortuitously, a supervisor was capable of dig out an outdated bank card that also functioned, and that was how the group managed to fly dwelling.

A reputation is lacking from the checklist of executives within the submitting: Nancy Dubuc, who abruptly stepped down as CEO in February 2023, days after receiving the termination discover from GMN Cayman. It’s odd that she doesn’t seem within the submitting, although she was CEO throughout a few of the time interval it captures. (She made an annual wage of greater than $1.5 million, in accordance with The New York Instances.) However then, three sources instructed me that they felt that escaping accountability was a serious a part of her tenure as CEO.

“I’m proud to depart a Vice higher than the one I joined,” Dubuc wrote in a memo to workers asserting her departure, three months earlier than the corporate’s chapter.

A number of individuals instructed me Vice remained messy underneath Dixon

Dubuc declined to touch upon the Antenna deal, Vice’s incapacity to pay its payments, her management fashion, and the executives she surrounded herself with on the firm. Vice declined to touch upon its Chapter 11 filings.

After Dubuc left the corporate final yr, two CEOs had been appointed: Hozefa Lokhandwala, who was the chief technique officer, and Bruce Dixon, then the CFO of Vice Studios. Earlier than the yr was over, Lokhandwala was out — pressured out, an individual accustomed to the matter instructed me. Lokhandwala didn’t reply to a request for remark.

Jesse Angelo abruptly stop the corporate shortly after Dubuc’s departure. “I made a decision to depart Vice as a result of I believed that the board and new co-CEOs, having already failed to shut two transactions, didn’t have a strategic imaginative and prescient for the corporate and had been steering it in the direction of chapter,” he mentioned in an emailed assertion.

A number of individuals instructed me Vice remained messy underneath Dixon. After shedding lots of in February, executives held a digital city corridor assembly. They mistakenly invited a handful of not too long ago laid-off staff, who blitzed them with thumbs-down emoji. The execs ended the assembly abruptly. “It’s not possible to disregard the emojis,” Dixon mentioned.

Vice additionally canceled its contract with Slack, so staffers began utilizing an occasion spun up from their private electronic mail addresses

“Bruce continues to execute a method, backed by the board, that may result in a extra profitable firm,” mentioned Vice spokesperson Sorzano.

Vice additionally canceled its contract with Slack, so staffers began utilizing an occasion spun up from their private electronic mail addresses. Because it was what most workers used when the layoffs occurred, the corporate had no approach of eradicating fired staff from Slack, in accordance with two sources. Sorzano, the Vice spokesperson, declined to touch upon this.

What’s left now could be Vice Studios, which is targeted on video work for social platforms. There may be some cause to be optimistic: Dixon labored for BBC Worldwide and Pulse Movies earlier than Vice — that is the enterprise he is aware of finest. (Pulse Movies was acquired by Vice, however its founders are nonetheless owed the cash from the buyout.) 

Here’s what Sorzano, the Vice spokesperson, needed to say concerning the firm as of now:

That is the top of a chapter – not the guide – for Vice. Any reporting on the contrary is each short-term and short-sighted because it misunderstands Vice’s technique going ahead.

The corporate is reconfiguring throughout a time of dramatic change and upheaval within the media sector. Vice is shifting to a studio mannequin – producing and offering best-in-class content material to distributors around the globe. We now have a multi-award-winning movie, documentary, and tv studio; a Vice tv community; and a strategic and inventive company that represents a few of the world’s best-known manufacturers.

As we now have beforehand said, Vice has exited the pricey day-to-day information enterprise, and we now have restructured our workforce according to our streamlined working mannequin.

There continues to be super curiosity within the Vice model.

Regardless of all of the expertise within the junior and center ranks, Vice didn’t construct out a sturdy enterprise operation. However then, perhaps that wasn’t the purpose. One former Vice staffer referred to as the corporate “an govt enrichment scheme.”

Vice was a actually a great way for Shane Smith to generate profits and flex affect. A number of individuals I spoke to puzzled if that was actually all Vice ever was. Smith acquired a few of his cash out on prime, promoting $100 million of his Vice shares in 2014. On an episode of Desus & Mero in 2017, Smith mentioned investing his cash by shopping for a $25,000 Pablo Picasso plate. Smith’s divorce submitting confirmed he made $1.6 million per yr, plus $1,400 a month in “perquisites,” in accordance with Enterprise Insider. In 2021, Smith bought one among his houses in Los Angeles for $48.7 million, in accordance with Mansion World.

Smith referred to as himself “post-economic”

Smith has all the time been an unimaginable salesman. In a 2015 interview, Smith is evident about the place the accountability for Vice lies: “I vote 95 p.c of the board,” he mentioned. He gave up voting management in 2021 solely after the SPAC failure. Nonetheless, the period of the Shane deal might not be completely over: he’s reportedly searching for capital to purchase Vice again. Shane Smith didn’t reply to requests for remark.

Vice’s collectors can solely count on 1 or 2 p.c of their a reimbursement after chapter. Vice spokesperson Sorzano declined to touch upon the Chapter 11 proceedings.

On an episode of the Joe Rogan podcast in 2014, Smith referred to as himself “post-economic.” In a really completely different approach, Vice Media is now post-economic, too.

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